When I first heard Perry Noble’s preaching, I loved it. I’ll even go so far as to say that I still enjoy his sermons. I was a big fan of NewSpring in the beginning. My family was against them. Fortunately for me though, there was never any bad blood about it. It was just something I liked and they didn’t.
I could never understand why everyone hated them so much. Sure, the music is different. He has a tendency to say things that you might not have heard your traditional preacher say when you were growing up. But he preached a good sermon.
But then I started hearing stories about things that supposedly had happened to people going there. As far as I was concerned, it was just hearsay, so I didn’t consider it a big deal. Then one night I was on google, looking around for stuff about NewSpring trying to find out if there was any truth to what I had been hearing. I didn’t specifically find what I was looking for at that time but I did find something else that made me change my mind. After all the horror stories I’ve read since then, I can’t remember the one that turned me against them. But still, it didn’t involve me personally so I didn’t really care. It was just something I was against.
Late last year into early this year, the James Duncan harassment thing happened. That really upset me. How could a church do this? And how could this church’s senior pastor not issue a public apology on behalf of the church, whether he had knowledge of it or not? It was just wrong. But still, it wasn’t personal for me. It pissed me off, I ranted about it a little and I forgot about it.
A bone marrow drive was held today in honor of Alex Carver, a 15 year old who has been battling leukemia. She went into remission previously but her condition came back and got worse and now she’s going to need a bone marrow transplant. 920 people showed up for the drive, not including those that already had their paperwork filled out when they came. It was a great turnout and I thank God for every single person who took time out of their lives to help a child who has barely had a chance to begin her life.
Every single newspaper, tv station, radio station and church that was contacted to help spread the word about Alex’s bone marrow drive was happy to help. With the exception of one. You can imagine our disbelief when NewSpring refused to announce a bone marrow drive for a teenager who went to NewSpring for years. Especially when their refusal was on the grounds that “it would interfere with worshiping Jesus.” They also would not allow a flier to be placed on their building because “if they did it for one person, they’d have to do it for everyone”.
I can’t help but wonder how many more people would have been there for Alex today had NewSpring told them about it. It’s finally personal for me.
So here we are now. It may just be a matter of time before it becomes personal to you. Unfortunately for NewSpring’s members, as was the case with me, they won’t care until it becomes personal to them.
This section of The Pit is dedicated to all the people who have been hurt by NewSpring. It’s a place where they can share their personal stories about this place to warn others. And hopefully in the process, we will show NewSpring that you cannot claim to be a positive influence in this community until you start acting like a positive influence in this community.
This isn’t about whether or not Perry Noble preaches from the bible. It’s not really about religion at all (although I can’t help but wonder how someone who claims to be a Christian can sit back and go about his business pretending like things like this aren’t going on). It’s not about their poor choice of worship music. It’s not about their pretty lights and the fact that they don’t have a steeple.
It’s about accountability. It’s about being decent human beings. It’s about not claiming Christianity, but being Christianity.
Anderson is ashamed of you, NewSpring. It’s time you started paying attention.(Source)
Perry Noble 2011 Sheep Beating Incident
Volunteers at NewSpring Church love Jesus more…
Calling on the people of NewSpring to demand Perry Noble to repent and meet with James Duncan
“So when did you stop worshiping Jesus and start attacking God’s work at NewSpring?”
*Who are you to judge? F**k you. You call yourself a Christian but then you take time out of your day to judge Perry in a whole blog post? No wonder you don’t have nearly as many followers as Perry.
* The F-word was edited by D.J. Horn because I do not allow such filth on this site.
I most certainly hope a fellow owner at NewSpring wouldn’t really say f*** you to another fellow christian. Everyone has their opinions and are allowed to express them. Though it’s not my place, I apologize that someone would even say that. I understand being passionate but that is just a bit much.
Hi, Liles. I am the admin of The Pit and the author of this particular “blog” post. I appreciate that Mr. Horn has shared my story here (my cousin’s story, technically). You’re welcome at The Pit (which is a forum, not a blog) any time you want, as long as you watch your mouth. I no longer allow profanity there. Aside from that, you are welcome to say anything you want to say without restraint.
newspring got personal for me when i invited my aunt and uncle to the 2009 christmas service. they were hesitant to go, but went anyways. they had my cousin with them who was about 7 at the time. i didn’t realize it was such a strict rule that children weren’t allowed in the service under any circumstance and maybe that’s a little bit my fault for not telling them; (though i NEVER assumed it would become a big deal) but when my aunt and uncle were told they had to take my cousin to childcare or else leave, they had no choice but to leave as my cousin burst into tears for not wanting to be left alone in a strange place with strange people he had never seen before. i emailed them about this and got a copy+paste answer over ‘we have to do this for everybody or not at all’ and that the messages were not meant for children (which, i’m pretty sure jesus never told kids his parables and sermons were going to be a little out of their league).
regardless, newspring gave christianity a black eye for my aunt and uncle whom have yet to give church another go and i blame newspring. i went for a few more months after that event, but after a few more sort of ‘instances’ of things that were said in the pulpit and essentially the same circle of sermons being preached each year that really don’t get very deep and focus on salvations (which i’m not opposed to salvations at all, but i feel the discipling is lacking) i have decided to look elsewhere. preferably a church closer to clemson where i attend.
all in all, i respect newspring for sticking to their guns on policy, but i think they seriously need to reconsider some of their policies. it’s my opinion that they have so many people they really don’t care if they push away a few. i don’t sense true love for others coming from the pulpit or the staff. i sense an elitism of ‘my church is better than yours’ to an extend that haunts the snot out of me. and like you said, the sermons are biblical and newspring does a lot of good things and has been responsible for leading people i know to christ. so it makes it really hard to warn people. i’m learning more and more however that we’re not alone in our thinking.
I do get very tired of people bashing Churches in general..wake up people we are on the same team..As for your cousin who is sick, you can’t say that Newspring would not do anything..Yeah maybe they would not let you put up a flyer, but I bet if you would have asked someone HOW you could spead the word about the drive they would have pointed you in the right direction. Newspring allows us to be the ministry outside the Church. I know personally that a lot of Newspring poeple have big hearts and serve int he community on a regular basis. I also know that a lot of things get done through word of mouth especially through home groups. I have no hard feelings towards anyone but we are here to serve Jesus and His Bride the Church….not get upset when we arent served by the Church.
Blaine,
And I get tired of nameless cowards who hide behind the net. You New$pringers really get on my nerves at times. No compassion, no direction, just that New$pring is right no matter what! It’s really sad that you would waste the time to post this garbage. It’s always person X’s fault for not seeking help the right way;but low and behold Perry Noble and New$pring’s leadership can never do any wrong!
New$pring’s leadership are a bunch of con-artist who have successfully created a legion of Scripture illiterate followers who bash the Bereans while following the Judas goat:Noble.
Usually, I’m nicer with my replies, but sometimes being blunt and direct is warranted.
Well I do know that Newspring is helping another Church in the community remodel the building they worship in that is practically falling down. I also so know that we help keep local food pantries full of food. As for no direction….That one confuses me a bit. Jesus is what Newspring preaches..Oh and as for the comment about Newspring always being right….that is far from true. EVERYONE there will admit thay we are far from perfect. Yes sometimes things get lost in communication. Sometimes things are overlooked and poor choices ARE made..That is what makes us human. As I am sure you have made mistakes as we all have. Everyone has different spiritual gifts…some are great speakers….some are better in the prayer department. Would you expect the President of the United States to call or come see you if you had a problem with the government? I am sure you wouldnt..I am not comparing Perry to the president either. I am jusst making a statement that serving the Church might mean that you are on a prayer team, a group leader, or scrubbing toilets. Jesus washed his followers feet as an example to us.. We are ALL called to be Christ like…I am also not a coward I am not hiding under a false name.. I am sorry that you have a bad taste about Newspring. I am wondering if you have even been there? Like I said in my last post….we are on the same team…
Wow, this is great… an entire page devoted to ripping apart and tearing down the “Church;” The same Church that Jesus started, Jesus died for, Jesus’ Bride, and the only thing that will remain after His judgment. Very mature of you!!! This makes all of us “Christians” look fantastic to an unbelieving world. If you disagree with New Spring… pray for them. You don’t have to attend but, don’t go around spreading gossip and slander. That makes you no better. This whole page is a waste of time.
Well then nice drive by rant/spam backed with zero support.
What’s truly tearing down the church that Jesus died for are hirelings like Perry Noble who have reformed the bride of Christ into a marketing scheme. The ripping apart of the church is done every time Noble distorts and disrespects the honored office of pastor.
Like I said to the previous New$pringer, New$pring’s leadership are a bunch of con-artist who have successfully created a legion of Scripture illiterate followers who bash the Bereans while following the Judas goat:Noble. If you understood the holy Scriptures, then you would understand discernment and marking those who teach error is a commandment from God.
It’s amazing how New$pring supports are quick to attack/judge, but are very slow to produce any Scripture(in context) to support their statements. When you are getting your ears tickled by religion, that last thing you want is a pesky Berean searching the Scriptures to see if what is being taught is actually in the Word.
Um,
I am new here. And though I’m from another state, I came here because of a Christian Post article I read. But must say that from what I read above, and from some of the other entries I read while browsing this site, it does sound like, as Wretchedtofu says, that the above entry is more based on slander and gossip than anything else. They did not seem to show any true evidence for why they no longer like this church, just a lot of innuendo and hearsay.
Now why would an out-of-the-looper like me say something he doesn’t really know a lot about? Because the Christian blogosphere is getting cluttered more and more with sites based on mean-spirited, catty, harshness which just isn’t serving our Lord or his kingdom. I know you, sir, feel you are doing a necessary thing, And I suppose you are. I don’t know much about Noble or his church. But it seems like there is less intelligent dialogue here and more mud-slinging I’m sad to say. And its time for those who, under the guise of ‘discernment’ take a look in the mirror and see whats really there.
Not trying to tell ya how to blog, but just saying something to think about. God bless! (I don’t think I made a new friend here, but I am not trying to be critical but constructive)
2Pc,
By your own admission and by your own standards, you should not even comment on anything New$pring because you are an “out-of-the-looper” therefore you can not present anything but speculation concerning this issue.
Now, as a former New$pring member who did intermingle with the leadership minus Noble of course, I can personally testify to the darker things within New$pring Church from 2008-2009.
The next time you want to rant 2Pc, do it in a direct manner rather than this slimy method you chose this time around. Be direct and say what you mean without the weasel name calling and accusations. The people who have been hurt by New$pring Church will respect you more as a mad drive by spammer than one who posts the garbage that you posted on my blog.
Y’all have really worn out the “slander” argument. Perry himself has been using that word a lot lately. I think it’s just an attempt to use a shocking legal word to scare us into silence, kinda like the way y’all scared James Duncan into silence. Sorry to disappoint you, but it ain’t gonna happen with me. You should look up the word if you’re going to use it to accuse someone of a crime. This would be closer to defamation, not slander. Of course, it would have to be a lie for it to be defamation. All you have to do to find out whether or not I’m lying is call NewSpring and ask them if you can put up a flier. Alex’s story isn’t one of a kind. They won’t do it for anyone. It may seem like a moot point to some people but I still believe that your church should be the number one place to go to if you need help. She only asked for an announcement that would have taken no more than a few seconds of his time, but that would cut into his social commentary time that he needs to talk about food and football. Not even a flier could be stuck on a bulletin board. If they even have bulletin boards. I’ve never stepped foot in the place because I don’t want my God to see me in their god’s church. Everything else in this post is just my opinion. And unfortunately for NewSpring, I didn’t give up my first amendment rights when they opened up shop. If they don’t want critics, they shouldn’t go fishing for them. When you have a preacher that tends to do things that are deliberately shocking and controversial, as James Duncan said, you shouldn’t be surprised when people criticize it.
Having said all that, I’ve put this issue behind me. NewSpring has much bigger problems than its refusal to help sick members. I encourage you, as an “out-of-the-looper”(which I don’t believe for a second that you truly are), to look into it and find the truth. I’m not asking anyone to take my word for anything. If anything I have ever said about NewSpring can be refuted, please refute it. Prove me wrong so that I can repent and be forgiven and offer a public apology to NewSpring. Simply offering the same ol’ “can’t we all just get along” garbage isn’t good enough and it never will be. It’s time that we as Christians stopped being a bunch of pansies and get wolves like Perry Noble and his crew to get back to their biblical roots or get them kicked out of Christ’s church.
David Strickland,
I am from the state of Illinois, never even smelled your hometown, so you can relieve yourself of your suspicion that I an under-cover fan of this guy Noble’s church.
David J,
As for you, you proved my thesis right. Like so many other Christian bloggers you came at me with vitriol and meanness. I was just trying to get you to look at this constructively from a third-party lens. This kind of stuff is making the Body look bad, dude. I don’t care what you say; it looks foul. You can do better.
I see you have Michael Horton’s site on your blogroll. He recently critiqued M. Driscoll WITHOUT getting nasty or funky attitudes. So, try studying his method; you might learn something. It ain’t the message, its the messenger.
You are just as much a sinner in need of grace as anyone else and you’re not above correction and that’s what other folks like you in the Christian blogosphere needs to learn. Anyone can write a blog and “talk tough” but how many can do it with grace and subtlety? I don’t care if you call out this Noble guy, if he’s wrong. But what about his doctrine? Is he sound in his theology? Does he preach Christ alone, by faith alone? That’s the real rub.
Do what you want to do, but do it better than this.
Is that direct enough for ya? (And I BET you won’t post this…)
Just do better, bro.
I retract my previous statement. You are, quite clearly, out of the loop.
It’s really difficult for me to have a discussion with someone who is against “vitriol and meanness”, yet defends Perry Noble at the same time. It just doesn’t make sense. You also say that we’re not above correction, yet you’ve made no attempt to correct us. Sure, you’ve made it clear hat you don’t agree with Mr. Horn’s methods but you haven’t given any biblical correction. If you would take the time to look around this blog you will have answers to the following questions:
“But what about his doctrine? Is he sound in his theology? Does he preach Christ alone, by faith alone?”
This is obviously the only post at Mr. Horn’s blog you have read. I really don’t know what else to say. I’d love to continue the conversation but I’m not sure how to have a respectful conversation with someone who appears to want to discus things but admittedly has no idea what he’s talking about and no apparent intention of finding out. I mean, it’s just more of the “can’t we all just get along?” argument. Frankly, I’m bored with that one. Ah well. God bless.
Mr. Strickland,
First of all, thank you for your willingness to have dialogue with me. I have no problem engaging in a respectful conversation. Perhaps I do need to apologize. I didn’t intend to come across negatively or dismiss the issue you have with that particular church. I want clear up something, though.
Now, when I asked, “But what about his doctrine? Is he sound in his theology? Does he preach Christ alone, by faith alone?”, I was referring to Perry Noble as it relates to all of the grievances you guys have against him, not you guys. As I said at the beginning, I do not know a lot about him. A close buddy of mine told me that Noble is “kinda kookie”, but my thing is, where is he in terms of his soteriology and such.
To me, that’s one, but a crucial litmus test for any pastor/teacher. Because, let’s face it: not all church members will be totally happy with their pastor. But, I personally have more beef against a Jakes or an Osteen because they’re so much more dangerous…and they appear so nice! So if Noble really is this mean, nasty charlatan, if he preaches good, sound doctrine at least, then I’d give him the benefit of the doubt. However if he is a charlatan, then he can’t preach good doctrine for long and I get that. Again, you’d know better than me.
Mr. Strickland, I am all for Mr. Horn or anyone else critiquing, exposing the “unfruitful works of darkness”, but in this age of the Internet, far too many Christian bloggers are communicating needed info but with a lack of love or grace. I’m not talking about ‘sloppy agape’, but consider if an unbeliever or new believer sees folks arguing like this, then it can be a stumbling block. I’m not into the ‘Rodney King theology’ of “can we all just get along”, but I just have a concern over how so many Christian blogs are getting meaner, nastier than ever. And they defend themselves saying, “we are using discernment” as an excuse to act like jerks! Some of these blogs really do border on rumors, slanderous and gossipy material, with an air of self-righteousness. And to me, that’s not Christ-like.
So, you guys are obviously passionate about this. That’s cool. I just hope that as you continue in your zeal, I was concerned that we do it with decency and order. Don’t stop what you’re doing.
I will continue to delve more into this site to see where Mr. Horn is coming from. From the looks of it, he seems Reformed, which is pretty much my theological leanings as well. You can have the last word on this if you like. God’s grace to you and Mr. Horn.
I know you were referring to Perry when you asked those questions. You can learn a lot about his doctrine here. No apology necessary.
2Pc,
Thank you for being civil. Please feel free to browse my blog concerning Perry Noble and New$pring Church. May I suggest first looking into the James Duncan fiasco. Perry Noble could have easily stopped this harassment by issuing a statement from the stage.
I have not experienced the harassment like Mr. Duncan, but I do agree with Mr. Strickland in that I refuse to be harassed into silence by New$pring members/staff/supporters. You have no idea how many times I get angry hateful e-mails from Noble defenders using all sorts of colorful attacks. So forgive me if my patience grows thin at times over this issue. New$pring has caused, and is still causing, issues with my family and loved ones.I have a close loved one who refuses to step foot into another church because of our ordeal with New$pring’s leadership. I admit this battle is personal to me and in the past I have publicly repented for my words.
“So when did you stop worshiping Jesus and start attacking God’s work at NewSpring?”
The dangers of false teaching and twisting the Scriptures
As for Perry Noble twisting and distorting the Scriptures, you will read and hear that in his own words. All I have done is document it, link to it, and post my rebukes of his theology on this blog. If you take the time to read my personal testimony about Noble, then you will see that I went out of my way to meet him in private.
Also read: The Seeker-Sensitive Purpose Driven Church for the Carnal Nature of Mankind
This is why lost people are turned off from God and Church today simply because of Christians seem to be against one another. When it all comes down to all this it’s a pride issue. I pray that the universal church as a whole will pull together in unity and love each other just as Christ has called us to do. (My church is better than your church) mindset is killing the way for God to bring revival back to this lost world. It’s not about us it’s all about God.
My cousin isn’t sick, Blaine. She’s dead. They couldn’t find a match.
As for Jesus starting New$pring Church…
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Nah…
My wife and I supported the drive for Alex. My wife still has the T-Shirt. We are very sorry for your loss and I do hope that Alex is with The Lord.
I am 59 years old and have been through the mill as far as “churches” go. The Lord Jesus told us that false teachers/prophets/wolves in sheep’s clothing would be able to fool the very elect if it were possible. Now ask yourself, how would they be able to fool the very elect? By preaching and teaching sound doctrine! Not all, but most do. BUT…The Lord also said we shall know them by their FRUITS.
Back in the early 90s, my family and I became attracted to the Fundamental Baptists. We heard many, many, truths there. BUT…no compassion. No mercy. No gentleness, no kindness. Out of one side of their mouth they would preach grace, but out of the other was total control & legalistic rules and regulations. Heaven forbid if you did not wear a tie! (As an aside, I asked the pastor why it’s so important to wear a suit and tie, and he replied, “To show the world on the outside what God has done to you on the inside.” to which I replied, “So everyone on Wall Street is saved?” He didn’t like that.) What I see going on at NewSpring is the same thing minus the rock-n-roll. No CHARITY as the King James has it and is correct. Charity includes a lot more than just emotional showing of love. It has caring, compassion, forgiveness, kindness etc, etc because of the love that The Lord gives us. It’s not of us, it’s from The Lord. People need to study more.
We suffered in that “church”. My wife did not tell me that the assistant ‘pastor’ knocked my middle son’s tooth out during a fit of rage. This so called ‘pastor’ held a 10 year old boy up against the wall, off the ground by his neck! When I complained to the ‘pastor’ about this he shouted, “Touch not The Lord’s anointed!” THAT is the call of a cult! We are all anointed with The Holy Spirit…ALL. We are ALL priests of God…all of us! There are so many, many things I could tell you. I will end with this.
Ask The Lord in prayer, for wisdom and truth. Ask Him to show you the right way and to keep you on the narrow road and off the broadway that leads to destruction and not to go to the left or the right. Ask The Lord for these things. And when you receive them, you will no longer be fooled by these charlatans. I say this to the rest of the posters here as well…Pray for wisdom to know the truth and the right way that leads to everlasting life.
“And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
Acts 16:30-31
Please note: They did not say, “Well first you must admit you’re a sinner, you must get baptized, pay tithes, obey the ten commandments etc, etc. No, they said believe on The Lord Jesus Christ. You see, the sin penalty was paid for 2000 years ago on the cross. All that is left for us to do is…BELIEVE on Jesus Christ, amen
Sorry, I don’t mean to look like spamming, but this verse was in my head concerning Perry Noble…
But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1 John 3:17
Frank E,
Thank you for sharing your testimony and insights on my blog. Feel free to post as much as you like my friend.
I am so sorry to hear about your losing your precious cousin Blaine. May the Lord comfort you all and heal your wounds. Know our prayers have been with you and your family my friend.
I’m assuming this was addressed to me, not Blaine. Thanks. It’s all good though. Alex was saved and since her death, her parents have been too. I also owe NewSpring a big thanks, kind of, anyway. After I shared Alex’s story at my forum, someone else came to me with their story. We became good friends through our bad NewSpring experiences and I found out last week that she knows my brother, who I’ve been trying to get a hold of my whole life. I spoke with him for the first time last Friday. None of this would have happened if it wasn’t for what NewSpring didn’t do for us.
” Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,” Romans 4:4-6
I can hear the cries now, “Faith without works is dead!” or my favorite, “So you’re saying we have a license to sin?” Genuine faith in Jesus Christ produces good works, FRUITS. The lack of those fruits is a telling sign. Genuine faith in Christ produces in the believer a desire to live holy and not of the world or in the flesh. This does not mean you will not sin anymore, oh yes we will. But we should be sinning less, not more as some ‘Christians’ do.
“For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.” Romans 5:19
Do any here see it? The obedience of ONE, not many. Jesus Christ is that One who paid it all for us. amen
Walk in faith not doubt.
“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” 1 Corinthians 1:18
Are saved, not “being saved” as some translations have it.
Thank You David and may God bless the good work you are doing here
~ I’ve grown up in a few different churches my whole life. For a decade, I went to a big (now mega) church that was very…..hard for a teenager like me to make friends in. It seemed faceless to me. The pastor only knew a few families, and the rest were just cattle herded in week after week. people came and went and no one noticed. They got a new music minister who insisted on putting in strobe lights and all sorts of theatrics that forced most of the elderly out of the church. The church then began to focus on the youth. If the elderly wanted to stay, they had to accept that they had to act young in Christ and to bridge the generation gap (by forcing pop culture and movie themed sermons with rock shows and actual dancing/stepping in the services.
Well, during the whole time, at least once or twice a month, the senior pastor (seven full time paid pastors were on salary at this church……SEVEN) would preach a sermon on tithing. I give the man credit for he did seem to be compassionate, however it never rang true with me. But this Noble guy….this guy is a hate filled, miserable little man.
I don’t go to a church anymore. Most of the smaller, loving churches around me have closed up because there are so m any megachurches around here that pretty much consume them. I’m nowhere close to where I need to be in my walk with the Lord, however in continously researching these fleecing churches, word of faithers and emeregent types, I see where it’s all heading…… a One World Church, blind of the true Scriptures, selfish and nothing but carnal.
Try going to your local school and asking them…you will get the exact same reply ” what we do for one, we must do for all”…What if it was a ttenager seeking abortion? would you be as supportive, understanding and doogedly determined to help them?..N o, you just got YOUR FEEL GOOD hurt, and cant see the whole picture anymore.
I am truly sorry for the girl , and am positive, had you approached it in a different manner, you would have gotten an outpour you couldnt stand!
As for the children not being allowed in the adult service…Well for years it was me that sat there, and wondered why cant these parents control their kids…why do I have to be subjected to this constant “shhh”!, and stop it!…and fidgetting…not to say ALL are like that…but newSpring has a policy that lets adults hear the word, and children be taught in a manner that is age appropriatte
( you dont send a high schooler to sit in kindergarten do you?)
In the end…why cant we just bash on the evil one who does all he can to set us off the path of worshipping Jesus ( not Perry Noble by the way)..And for those who didnt know, Perry has done more for the Anderson Community than most people will ever know, but will not hear..Why? because he doesnt go around beating his drum about it!
Thanks all!
That’s interesting. Alex was an eighth grader at Lakeside Middle School and they were very supportive. The sign out front even read “we love you Alex!” While she was in and out of the hospital because she was too sick to attend. She would have gone to Westside if she had made it. They were also supportive. In fact, principal Henry Adair came to her funeral to offer his condolences.
I’m not sure what manner would have been more appropriate to ask for help. First, we asked for an announcement. When that was too much trouble, we asked to place a flier. That was also out of the question and no suggestions were offered.
As far as what Perry does to help the community, whoop de do. That’s all good and everything but it doesn’t cancel the harm he has done and continues to do. But if it helps you sleep at night…
Really? That’s why the camera crew is always present during these “good” works.
If I had a nickle for every time Noble talked about himself during his sermons, I could retire from working.
I am not a follower of Jesus and nor do I want to be after reading this. If this is the way christians act towards each other, I don’t want to be one. This confirms any doubts I had about why I don’t believe in God. Whats the point?You Christians are so rude to each other. You all are a joke. Sure read your Bible and say you love God but talk bad, warranted or unwarranted about one another and then create a blog that anyone can see about how angry you are and how you want everyone to know about it. Whoever claims to accept the forgiveness of God but then cannot forgive someone else is just a hypocrite. Continue to study your Bibles and do what you do. I am sure tons of people are going to come to God that way. pathetic.
Randy I’m sorry that you have to see christ followers act this way unfortunately we are all still sinners it’s just really sad and embarassing that we can’t see that it’s not all about us. I’m a Christian and while I’m not perfect nor will I ever be I hope that I don’t turn people like you away from the love of Jesus by holding hate in my heart and standing up against my own beliefs.
Newspring has anywhere from 10,000-20,000 attending services every week. Every single one in that number knows someone that is in need, many times desperate, of something. If Newspring were to “advertise” about the plight of one individual they would be required to help officially spread the word for every person that asked. It makes sense when you aren’t looking at it with tunnel vision.
It’s a very poor representation of the facts when you don’t mention that many of those people that showed up were Newspring members and heard about her story through other Newspring members. Also, wasn’t it a Newspring member who donated bone marrow for her?
Instead of bashing Newspring, which has unarguably brought thousands of people to Christ and helped thousands more in their walk with Christ, why don’t you focus your time and energy on reaching people for Christ? Or are you just going to sit on the sidelines and scream about the things you don’t like?
What church do you attend now?
When 80% of all church people in Anderson attend newspring, it goes without saying that some of them most likely showed up for the drive. An even poorer representation of facts would be to claim that a NewSpringer donated bone marrow for her. She died before they could even find a match. I’d like to know who gave you that info. They’re lying to you.
Well I always have had my supicions about Perry Noble and Newspring church. I remember a comment that he made a few years back when he did a interview with wyff where he was striaghtforward in saying that Jesus had the the very first megachurches.
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You can find anything on the web to bash religion and obviously the person who started this was looking for something to prove what they had in there minds. If you are looking for something you will find it. Instead of looking for reasons to distance yourself from a church you dont want to attend anymore or you have problems with, find a new church, look into the words being spoken as most read from the scripture. Its really easy to do,bring your Bible to church with you and read along with what they are saying. If you have the talent and gift from God to explain the word better then you should look at creating your own Church or find a means to spread the word of Jesus Christ. I wasnt going to post on here because I am not good with words and debating but maybe a few points got made. From the few weeks I have been attending NS perry has shown and spoken that he is still a sinner and until just recently suffered through a lot of things. I look not at the man speaking so much but the way in which God speaks through him. I am sure bad things have happened at that church and i bet if you looked up every church in existence today you will find a recurring theme of bad things. But you know what I dont want to go to a “perfect church”. I only know of one person that was ever perfect and void of sin so I think everyone should rethink and ponder what they say about those who arent that perfect person. I mean look at what you get… people who use this as fodder to help them stray farther from God’s Word. What good is any of this bringing about? Ask yourselves that and if you can come with an answer that doesnt mean bringing down his Church or having people removed from the church or defaming someone i would love to hear it. I was in a bad place and am still going through very tough times and this church has helped me a lot. There is a lot of bitterness and hostility in a lot of these posts and it saddens me. I have seen what that does, it doesnt bring anything good from it.
Of course I’m looking for something to prove, and several of your points are in fact my own points. There are some problems though. Since when should we look into the words being spoken as most read from the scripture? As you have said, it’s really easy. God has used nouns, pronouns, verbs, adjectives, etc to reveal himself. The fact that it’s not difficult to understand also means that it’s just as easy to see when someone is lying to you about it. I haven’t been called to start a church and if you’ve been attending NewSpring for any amount of time, you’d know that mr. Noble wasnt either. He was forced into it after he was “barely saved” (his words). But I do have a ministry, like every true Christian does. Look in your bible to see what it says about those who are new to the faith. The issue is not whether your church is perfect, as you have already rightly pointed out that no church is. You should instead look at the leader of your church and see whether or not he is purposefully deceiving you. You have only been attending for a few weeks. I encourage you to look at some of Perry’s older sermons with an open bible, as you have suggested I do. I’m not asking anyone to take my word for it. I cant convince anyone. Just ask yourself, is it possible that you are being deceived? I pray for you and everyone at NewSpring that Isaiah’s prophecy not be true about you. That you have eyes but do not see. That you have ears but do not hear. Let that not be true about you. I’m glad that NewSpring is helping you out of your “bad place”. But that isnt the way to judge whether or not your preacher rightly handles the word of God. Wicca helped me out of my bad places when I was a teenager. Islam helps 2 billion people out of theirs. Your life change does not equal a good standing with God.